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Old 06-26-2006, 12:31 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Not that I am coming in on Wayne's side of this, as from the posts I have been monitoring over the years he is a certifiable lunatic and took way too many steroids in his younger years. From his rants on various forums he should be locked up, not let loose on an unsuspecting real estate buyer.
You know maybe I took to many steroids when I was younger and if you call being a lunatic someone who speaks their mind, then yes I am guilty. I have no problems with you thinking I can get a little zealous on the forums but I do take offense when you question my professionalism with my clients.

Being from the south I speak my mind. I can understand that you may be the type of person that cant handle someone who doesnt beat around the bush. I am very streight forward and as stated most people cant handle that. Unlike maybe you, I dont consider what I might say could be either insulting or something the person I am speaking with may not want to hear. In my opinion even if the truth hurts you must be willing to speak it. For the record most of what I have ranted about in the past on forums is justified. Until you have walked in my shoes dont judge.

I take my profession very seriously and my clients come first and foremost even at times before my own family.

To put this thread back on topic, I do agree with you that Morgan has crossed the line as it pertains to Jim. Morgan however will not address this issue because he knows he was in the wrong. This would cause him to lose face with not only the seo community but also some of his clients who can look past the rankings and judge his actions based on morality.
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Old 06-26-2006, 09:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Being from the south I speak my mind. I can understand that you may be the type of person that cant handle someone who doesnt beat around the bush. I am very streight forward and as stated most people cant handle that. Unlike maybe you, I dont consider what I might say could be either insulting or something the person I am speaking with may not want to hear. In my opinion even if the truth hurts you must be willing to speak it. For the record most of what I have ranted about in the past on forums is justified. Until you have walked in my shoes dont judge.
Wayne, unfortunately what I have seen is you bullying and trashing your competition repeatedly, rather than speaking your mind or telling the truth. Most of your rants are very unprofessional and involve pulling down your competition rather than making an effort to just improve yourself. I have been following these forums for the past year looking for ideas, but never take time to post - the only reason I am bothering now is I just had surgery and am out for a few weeks. Every once in a while you do come up with a decent idea, but since you spend so much time trying to hurt others that gets lost in the shuffle.

At first glance when reading these related threads I almost figured Morgan must be right just because you were against him as I knew nothing of your past history with him. (Again this is based on the fact that mostly you seem to attack people rather than offer constructive advice.) But after reviewing Jim Messenger's documentation as opposed to Morgan's in the related threads, I would have to conclude that Jim Messenger is in the right on this issue. The designs are certainly his and he should win easily in any litigation. It sounds like Jim just wants Morgan to take down his copied sites and remove any references claiming credit for Jim's sites and it would all be over. Rather than get into a brawl he can't win, Morgan should just redesign the offending site and get on with life. Morgan is obviously good at getting rankings for his clients - he should just concentrate on that and forget the rest. Life is too short to fight losing battles when there is so much positive that can be accomplished. If Morgan can learn to just let go no one will even remember this a year from now and he can use the time not spent in litigation to help more clients.
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:48 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Wayne, unfortunately what I have seen is you bullying and trashing your competition repeatedly, rather than speaking your mind or telling the truth. Most of your rants are very unprofessional and involve pulling down your competition rather than making an effort to just improve yourself. I have been following these forums for the past year looking for ideas, but never take time to post - the only reason I am bothering now is I just had surgery and am out for a few weeks. Every once in a while you do come up with a decent idea, but since you spend so much time trying to hurt others that gets lost in the shuffle.
You are correct I have trashed some of my competition. However if you look at what has been said, (trashed as you call it) I have had legitimate reasons to trash them. As an example the last one I believe was because one of my competitors was using hidden text and links. I consider that unprofessional. Since this person has always accused me of doing these type things and we have no respect for eachother I feel no obligation to approach them professionally.

I can understand some of your conclusions but I dont believe you have all the facts. Another good example. I have competitors on this forum. I do not nor have I trashed any of them. You have Mack, Jade and Tony here. Each of them could tell you I have even offered them advice to help them improve their sites or told them of things I have found that could be considered against Googles TOS. So in my mind I find your theory about me just trashing people because they are my competition to hold no weight.

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Every once in a while you do come up with a decent idea, but since you spend so much time trying to hurt others that gets lost in the shuffle
Thank you for noticing I do come up with some good ideas. I would respond though that when I point out something negitive about a competitor its either in response to an attack they have made on me or there is a past history of either of us having any respect for eachother. Point is, people that I respect whether a competitor or not I do not attack or trash as you put it. Most of my negitive responses have pertain to two groups. 1 being Morgan or what relates to him and 2 being a few members of a link farm group.

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At first glance when reading these related threads I almost figured Morgan must be right just because you were against him as I knew nothing of your past history with him. (Again this is based on the fact that mostly you seem to attack people rather than offer constructive advice.) But after reviewing Jim Messenger's documentation as opposed to Morgan's in the related threads, I would have to conclude that Jim Messenger is in the right on this issue.
Jim is in the right on this issue. Morgan has shown in the past that he has no moral or ethical fiber. I personally find this justifying to an extent. I had some of the same underlining issues with Morgan as it relates to character and professionalism. I was however thought to have been a raving nut when I brought these flaws to light. So in a sense this is vindication for me.

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Again this is based on the fact that mostly you seem to attack people rather than offer constructive advice.
When attacked or someone is looking to try and take advantage of me, I do not approach them constructively. Whether this is right or wrong this is my own personal way of dealing with them.

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If Morgan can learn to just let go no one will even remember this a year from now and he can use the time not spent in litigation to help more clients.
I disagree with this. I believe that if Morgan can burn his first two clients who got him started on the road to success he has had, no one is safe with him.

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Morgan should just redesign the offending site and get on with life.
Morgans ego will not allow this to happen. Also IMO if he does he is admitting he is wrong and therefore will lose face with some of his clients.

Morgans days are numbered. Whether because of his success or his arrogant attitude there are people who are already gunning for him. If these people are successful in their plans his time is coming very soon. There an old saying. The same people you see going up that ladder of success, you will see coming right back down it.
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Old 09-15-2006, 11:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
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wow can I ask a question? I was thinking of joining that forum today and i'm having second thoughts now. should I avoid joining realestatewebmasters.com?

I've been all over the web on this Friday I'm lucky to have off, joining all the forums I can find about real estate and web design. Many are very rude and very cold, so are there any that I should avoid?
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REW has many great Members and offers some good info. Just don’t get into debates with the Administrator or promote any services that are in competition with them and you should be fine.

Compare the information learned with other sources and make educated decisions.

Hope that answers your question.

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