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SEOWolf · 03-20-2006, 11:30 AM

We all know that the two most popular WYSIWYG Editors are DreamWeaver and FrontPage.

I have noted some pretty substantial improvements by Microsoft with their latest version of FrontPage but haven’t seen that much from DreamWeaver.

Has anyone else noticed this, and do you know of another WYSIWYG Editor that you think competes with the Top 2 Editors?

~VegasMack

Miami Beach Condos · 03-20-2006, 11:44 AM

Not meaning to sound stupid, but what is a WYSIWYG Editor?

Thanks in advance,

Josh

SEOWolf · 03-20-2006, 12:11 PM

Hi Josh,

The ONLY stupid questions here are the ones that don’t get asked.

WYSIWYG = What You See Is What You Get

Which means just as it implies. When you build a page with a WYSIWYG Editor you are looking at pretty much the final version (or what the Visitor to the site sees).

Hope that helps,

~VegasMack

Miami Beach Condos · 03-20-2006, 12:14 PM

Oh, I see.

BTW – Is there a difference in search engine rankings using one WYSIWYG editor over another one?

Thanks Mack!

Josh

SEOWolf · 03-20-2006, 12:25 PM

Josh,

I don’t think there is any real difference between the Top 2 WYSIWYG Editors in search engine rankings.

While DreamWeaver produces cleaner coding, FrontPage has been used to generate just as many Real Estate sites in the Top 10 of the 3 major search engines.

I really think it boils down to preference. FrontPage is a lot easier to learn with nowhere near the learning curve of DreamWeaver.

~VegasMack

Miami Beach Condos · 03-23-2006, 07:42 PM

Thanks Mack. I appreciate it.

HHI Golf Guy · 03-23-2006, 10:04 PM

When I was first learning HTML I used FrontPage. But once I understood proper HTML coding I saw that the code generated by FP was really bloated. Also, I use so much CSS in my designs that it never renders correctly in the Normal and Preview tabs.

On a lark I gave Dreamweaver a try, but it was EXTREMELY slow. And in order to try and use their shortcuts their was a huge learning curve.

So no I code everything by hand instead of drag and drop or WYSIWIG. Since most of my formatting and layout is actually controlled by CSS I don't really have use for a WYSIWYG editor.

I do use FrontPage for one thing. I drop my code in the HTML tab to see if I missed any open tags or elements. I set my normal text, tags, scripts, and other items all as different colors in the HTML tab. If I leave a tag or element open it's easy to see where I messed up.

No matter what anyone chooses to use for coding, I suggest always running your code through an HTML validator. It helps to ensure that your HTML is cross browser compatible (CSS is another story) and it teaches you good coding habits.

Miami Beach Condos · 04-21-2006, 03:11 PM

Thanks for the heads up HHI Golf Guy. I appreciate it, definitely food for thought.

frobn · 05-11-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HHI Golf Guy

When I was first learning HTML I used FrontPage. But once I understood proper HTML coding I saw that the code generated by FP was really bloated. Also, I use so much CSS in my designs that it never renders correctly in the Normal and Preview tabs.

On a lark I gave Dreamweaver a try, but it was EXTREMELY slow. And in order to try and use their shortcuts their was a huge learning curve.

So no I code everything by hand instead of drag and drop or WYSIWIG. Since most of my formatting and layout is actually controlled by CSS I don't really have use for a WYSIWYG editor.

I do use FrontPage for one thing. I drop my code in the HTML tab to see if I missed any open tags or elements. I set my normal text, tags, scripts, and other items all as different colors in the HTML tab. If I leave a tag or element open it's easy to see where I messed up.

No matter what anyone chooses to use for coding, I suggest always running your code through an HTML validator. It helps to ensure that your HTML is cross browser compatible (CSS is another story) and it teaches you good coding habits.

Good advice HHI. The best way to learn is to do it by hand but you don't need to do it all by hand. For anyone interested in css/xhtml here is a good css generator that includes many IE hacks:

http://csscreator.com/version2/maketemplate.php

for a variety of css menus:

http://accessify.com/tools-and-wiza...s/list-o-matic/

and a good text editor:
NoteTab (a free word editor) has clip libraries for html and css which makes it a snap to code content for pages and style sheets.

Jared · 05-11-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasMack

We all know that the two most popular WYSIWYG Editors are DreamWeaver and FrontPage.

I have noted some pretty substantial improvements by Microsoft with their latest version of FrontPage but haven’t seen that much from DreamWeaver.

Has anyone else noticed this, and do you know of another WYSIWYG Editor that you think competes with the Top 2 Editors?

~VegasMack

VegasMack, my own personal experience is that people often bag on Dreamweaver because it has IDE features that go way beyond the simple editor features in FrontPage and they dont understand them. Then I see people bag on FrontPage because the markup is real bad and the features appeal so much to newbe types because it came with their MS Office Suite and it has some template generators in it.

So all the pro's (at least all those that are honestly pro's) know to use professional IDE environments over page generators like FP. Is FP bad? No, I wouldn't call it bad but I'd never use it because as always anything developed by Microsoft is designed to benefit Microsofts mind set and way of thinking.

Dreamweaver along with things like GoLive for instance have IDE features (IDE = Integrated Development Environment) in which the ease it can communicate with things like Databases and then show real time results in a way that makes sense to both Developers and Designers sets them apart. Previously, or maybe currently, designers and developers speak different languages, but Dreamweaver opens a foundation of common ground for understanding each other.

Dreamweaver also has real nice extensions available for it that extend Dreamweaver in unique directions. KPT and others have developed full blown shopping cart extensions that make ecommerce site creation an afternoon event instead of a months long one.

My money says use Dreamweaver......

Just my 2 /cents
Jared