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Old 05-15-2006, 10:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Max...I can relate...sometimes we have properties... pics or even prices missing... I guess there is no utopia...
There are several reasons why this can happen besides poor database design.

Database tables can get corrupted for many reasons. Something as simple as an out-of-place character in an IDX field can drop data or even worse. Data can be lost during an update or the update prematurely terminates--this happens more frequently on shared servers. Many IDX conceptualizations flush the IDX data before each update and this often corrects previous problems.

One time we traced a missing image problem back to the IDX that began using an additional naming scheme before telling anyone. It was only by luck that we discovered it after 3 days.

In some MLSs the Realtors make every effort to get their listings correct but in some MLSs, especially in so Florida, it doesn't seem to matter to them.
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Old 05-15-2006, 03:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There are several reasons why this can happen besides poor database design.
Amen on the poor design. This is the primary reason I generally stay away from IDX projects. The old generations of MLS software was based almost entirely in free text entries giving rise to completely non-standard data at every turn. This was acceptable when the MLS was a broker tool with someone familiar with the vernacular enough to translate it for the end user. In the IDX world the end user has access to the product only indirectly in the form of what a provider does to straighten out the "gibberish". Otherwise the raw data is consumed directly by the visitor.

I finally gave up on the idea of normalizing data in more than a few systems as it was just not worth it. On the other hand after looking at the data from the current Las Vegas MLS I was stunned that the data seemed to be nearly all in uniform structure as if the entry form was mostly select boxes. This is the only way that useful data can be maintained. In systems like this there is minimal chance for incorrect data to make it to the visitor with the exception of data entry. In free text systems the only way to normalize data is through the use of intelligent pattern matching which is far beyond what most individual offices would pay for the service. The unfortunate problem is that services who should be leveraging economies of scale to tackle the data integrity problem do not always do so.

But then again all those people make more than I do.
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Old 05-15-2006, 05:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Same thing I experienced with many MLS's and they stonewall you but when you dont have the budget to influence them we're stuck dealing with them... LOL






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I finally gave up on the idea of normalizing data in more than a few systems as it was just not worth it. On the other hand after looking at the data from the current Las Vegas MLS I was stunned that the data seemed to be nearly all in uniform structure as if the entry form was mostly select boxes. This is the only way that useful data can be maintained.

In systems like this there is minimal chance for incorrect data to make it to the visitor with the exception of data entry. In free text systems the only way to normalize data is through the use of intelligent pattern matching which is far beyond what most individual offices would pay for the service. The unfortunate problem is that services who should be leveraging economies of scale to tackle the data integrity problem do not always do so.

But then again all those people make more than I do.
The Interealty Las Vegas datalink yields much better data and is more organized than others such as Fnis.

The real problem is the limitations place on the use of any datalink by the specific local boards. Each Board has a list of accepted fields making writing a generic IDX a difficult task to say the least.

There are very few 'universal' categories, thus requiring a significant number of custom fields to allow for the mapping. Of course the more custom work involved the higher the cost.

Additionally, with the competitive nature of programming these days even the programmer does not come out on top. Programmers end up bidding too low then produce a poor or less than functional product. The Broker ends up paying more than he budgeted and received less than expected while the programmer barely makes wages.

So all too many programs are produced that fall short of the Brokers expectations, yet are still not very profitable for the Programmer. A lose – lose proposition for all parties involved in most cases I’m afraid.

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...with the competitive nature of programming these days even the programmer does not come out on top. Programmers end up bidding too low then produce a poor or less than functional product. The Broker ends up paying more than he budgeted and received less than expected while the programmer barely makes wages.

So all too many programs are produced that fall short of the Brokers expectations, yet are still not very profitable for the Programmer. A lose – lose proposition for all parties involved in most cases I’m afraid.

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It certainly is a dilemma. Lets examine it from a "value added" perspective. For example, open-realty is used for as a backend for many IDX conversions. It is an open source listing management application with a good reputation and a support community. The IDX is unquestionably an added value which the programmer receives fair compensation and the Realtor benefits from the open source nature because he or she is not locked for additional customization or maintenance. A win-win situation.
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Whew... it's good to know that my IDX is not me only one with issues.
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It seems the problem with MLS/IDX providers is largely the problem of Realtors who allow this kind of thing to go on. Realtors should get together and vote on it forcing MLS providers to comply with the modern world.

Baffles me how the mob organized and crime syndicate controlled MLS's continue to charge monthly fees for technology that is at least 15 years old. Most of us dont have cars that old.

I'm not a Realtor so I have no say in your industry.



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I'm not a Realtor so I have no say in your industry.
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You may not have a say in the industry but banks and other big bussiness interests are fighting the NAR for control of IDX data. Congress and the Justice Department have already made known that it sides with BIG BUSINESS. The tight grip of local MLSs may soon be loosened and the potential for Wallmartization of the real estate industry will commence.
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I think that it best represents the client selling or buying a home to do that. I mean if a Realtor can't hire a guy like me to use RETS or IDX on his site because his provider doesnt want to permit it then the MLS in my opinion is worthless as a component to a "complete" marketing tool.

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Old 05-18-2006, 12:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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So I guess all the work I put into the miniMLS or privatized listing sharing software may finally pay off. I did it for places too small or too remote for an actual local mls, but if the org listings end up near public domain then the co-op approach may finally have a market - finally I'm a forward thinker - hurrah!
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