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Exclamation Reciprocal Link Pages Dead?

Mert brought to our attention that there seems to be yet another storm on the horizon for real estate websites. In a recent REW thread there were several Members listed that dropped all of their state reciprocal link pages.

This all started apparently by several successful AA sites disappearing from the Google SERPS.

As you all know AA sites have been severely penalized by Yahoo and have all but disappeared in their results completely.

We are NOT yet advising any of our Members to keep or delete these reciprocal pages however Jim Messenger (a valued Member and Consultant of this Forum) covered this LAST YEAR in his forum here.

We have also asked our resident SEO Guru HHI Golf Guy to chime in on this and hope to hear from him soon.

The main reason I bring this to the attention of our Members at this time is so that you can check your link partners to see if your links still appear or if you are giving them a one-way link.

One of the REW Members that deleted all of his state pages months ago without any notification to his link partners was Matt Pellerin from Phoenix.

If any of our Members do decide to delete these pages as Jim Messenger suggest, in all fairness please try to notify all of your link partners. If that is not possible, please post your intentions to this thread.

Thank You,

~VegasMack

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I received a PM from Matt Pellerin that he did notify many of his partners. I stand corrected.
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is a thread worth watching. I added it to my RSS reader to stay on top of it because I know this will mean a shakeup in the business. I'm sure people are wanting to consider a way to migrate their existing AA sites and still preserve there old link and URL structure.

Nice thing is we just happen to have such a method.


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Old 05-07-2007, 11:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Mack,

Thanks for the mention.

We have been suggesting agents delete their reciprocal directories since SES San Jose. Most everyone ignored it until now. I don't understand the surprise...

On another note, please don't be too angry if you were not notified of our directory removal. We just don't have the time to hunt down 514 email addresses.

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Understood Jim. It is taking more and more time to make a living these days and I realize you have your own Real Estate Forum to tend to.

Thanks for taking the time from your busy schedule to consult with us on this very important issue. You’re a respected and trusted source and we do appreciate your sharing with us.

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Ok I would really like to hear the scoop on this linking issue.... Some say yes some say no...and many truly don't know!

Please someone help to clear up this issue that is so high on the RE Forums SEO discussion list...

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Ever since Google opened Pandora's Box and included links as part of their algorithm. common sense dictated that they would eventually have to address link spam and link bombing.

But does that mean that reciprocal links are dead?

Let's look at the so-called evidence. If you remember, most AA sites crashed and burned on Yahoo a year or so ago. Now it appears that some AA sites are losing their rankings in Google as well. Certain people have fueled this panic to suggest that what has happened to AA sites will start to happen to all other real estate web sites that utilize reciprocal links. Let's think about this for a moment.

1. Not all AA sites have crashed in the rankings. Granted, this could be just because the Google DestroyBot has not hit their site yet. (Note: DestroyBot is a a joke. Perhaps rankings will drop the next time their site is cached).

2. I see no evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) that other non-AA real estate sites that utilize recip links have begun crashing in the rankings.

Then why are some AA sites crashing and burning? Let's face it - even customized AA sites are a template. They also have a TON of duplicate content - even if it's not all hosted on the root domain of the agent. In December, Google's Adam Lasnik pointed out key information about duplicate content and boilerplate web design.

It's possible that Google de-valued entire AA web sites because the majority of the pages on the root domain of their site were 50+ links pages. Most of the rest of the content was framed info pulled from the AA servers (much of it duplicate info between AA sites).

While Google is taking an aggressive stance against duplicate content and boilerplate web design, I do not believe that is why AA sites are losing their rankings. I do think it has something to do with reciprocal links. But probably not what you think.

More than likely, Google is refining its abilities to ferret out link networks. Back at SES a year or so ago, Matt Cutts (of Google) had a demonstration of G's ability to analyze links from any given site. Within seconds he was able to point out recip links, one way links, three way links, and paid links from any given web site.

We don't take AA sites as clients, and we don't exchange links with any AA sites, but last time I checked there was a lot of inter-linking between AA web sites. That would be a link network. Also, Google has recently stated that it was taking an aggressive stance against certain types of paid links. Since all of the sites in question are branded AA sites, they may consider the interlinking of these sites to be a form of paid links that they feel are designed to manipulate rankings.

Also, though not as likely, because of interlinking it could be that Google de-valued the pages that these links are on and not the links themselves. If there was heavy interlinking going on from these pages, de-valuing these pages could also make it appear that the links themselves lost value.

Should you worry about your own reciprocal links? That depends. Have you ever exchanged links with a webmaster that had 50 or 100 web sites? In particular, if a bunch of forum users all start exchanging links with one guy (or company) that has 50 or 100 sites, that could be considered a link network.

Have you ever paid to be on a list of links that show up on multiple web sites (like that E-Pro link scheme). That might end up being on Google's no-no list. And since that list is on X hundred or thousand web sites that might appear to be a reciprocal link network as well as a paid network.

Reciprocal links, though not the best solution, are still OK as long as you are careful where you get those links. Keep your recips relevant, and don't worry about PR on recip pages or whether or not the recip pages are supplemental. Supplemental pages just mean that page will not rank well for KW's. Google still knows the page and the links exist.

The best way to build free links nowadays are through articles and RSS feeds. Even exchanges work well here. My suggestion is to set up a sub domain for your article and RSS feed exchanges so that you do not dilute the primary theme of your web site. You can even add articles to your sub domain without an exchange to help build your own content.

As far as RSS feeds and RSS feed exchanges go, don't limit yourself to your blog feeds. You can even send out RSS feeds on pages for your non-blog pages.

In conclusion, I don't think the widespread panic on what has happened to some AA sites is warranted at this time - unless you are in a potential link network. Then I would panic.
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HHI...
Thanks for the info...very informative as usual...well with that being said i guess their are a lot of changes coming...I can see the next 6-12 months should be very interesting for most Top Ranking RE sites!
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Hi HHI Golf Guy!

GREAT POST! It’s always good to hear from our resident SEO Guru on issues of this importance.

I was getting tired of answering calls and PM asking “What does HHI Golf Guy say about it?”

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In conclusion, I don't think the widespread panic on what has happened to some AA sites is warranted at this time - unless you are in a potential link network. Then I would panic.
So it sounds as if you are staying consistent with the linking strategies you have always suggested here at PREN with good link partners, articles, article exchanges, RSS Feeds and no link farms.

While I am still not absolutely sure what I will do with my reciprocal pages I do plan on pruning them substantially. Unfortunately I have had a couple clients that have requested that I pull down any links to AA sites. After reading your post I think I will look closer at any other links that are or appear to be part of a Network or link farm.

Of course I intend to continue to monitor the situation closely and will make any required adjustments.

Thanks for chiming in Shawn!

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You're welcome.

And as I stated on many posts throughout the past year, I place all my link partners on a sub domain for most of my client web sites. This not only keeps my site theme intact no matter how many other links or articles I have, but it should also mitigate any potential damage to the root domain if the SE's don't like those pages.

FWIW, I only exchange links with sites that I consider to be quality sites. These sites have a professional look and feel to them, as well as good content about their location. I try to stay away from sites that use canned content (i.e. Top 10 Mistakes of Sellers, etc.).

As always, it's important to keep in mind that my strategies work for the way that I design web sites. As far as SEO goes I place great emphasis on site structure, navigation, site themeing, and overall on-page optimization. Links come secondary to those items.

For me, it works well. My sites with top Google rankings usually have 1/2 to 2/3 of the links that the other sites in the top 10 have.

How do you stay away from link networks? For real estate sites it can be rather tricky. One thing that we do is take a random city somewhere in the U.S. and do a Google search for "city name + real estate". Then we look at the top 30-40 results to see if we can find a few good link partners.

Then we take it a step further and look where those sites are getting their links from and see if any of those sites meet our criteria for a one-way link or a reciprocal exchange. We also do the same thing for just "city name" for the location we are optimizing for, then look for a certain set of criteria within those sites to find links to our sites.

This takes ALOT of time. And we do not use all of the same links for all of our clients. Subsequently we have had to significantly increased our fees during the last 6 months.

In the future, if reciprocal links are completely de-valued the search engines will still have to fight link spam from one way links. Everyone will start building tons of satellite web sites, stock up on directory links, then point those satellite sites at their primary web site. The web will be filled with even more crap.

That's why I pay more attention to on-page optimization and good, local site content than links. If your site does not have a solid, consistent theme then there is no way for search engines to determine what your web site is about - regardless of how many links point to it and where those links are from.
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In the future, if reciprocal links are completely de-valued the search engines will still have to fight link spam from one way links. Everyone will start building tons of satellite web sites, stock up on directory links, then point those satellite sites at their primary web site. The web will be filled with even more crap.
They build a better Radar and others build a better Radar Detector and….

Perhaps instead of just devaluating reciprocals they should discount all inbound links. It is just to easy to manipulate the system and the result is we see sites with the largest linking staff and budget at the top of the SERPS vs the best sites.

Sounds like utopia to see all inbound links discounted but I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Yahoo IMHO has led the way in the last 2 years in combating link spam. While they don’t have a perfect record by any measure they have taken aggressive steps in “the War on Spam”.

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