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San Diego Real Estate · 05-13-2007, 02:42 PM

FYI - Under the circumstances I have notified all my partners that I have removed all state pages from sandiego-house.com

SEOWolf · 05-13-2007, 07:39 PM

It is always a good practice to let your partners know so they can act accordingly when at all possible Al.

~VegasMack

Mert · 05-14-2007, 11:21 AM

Just an FYI,

Jim had not removed his links until recently either. Ironically mslasvegas and I had not been involved with REW since last august and were not even on the same IPs. My website had not done any of the new contextual linking or reciprocal linking at all since leaving REW. Heck I personally deleted most of the sites that were being linked to that I deemed to be spam to make the referral pages to actually make them customer friendly. I can almost assure you 100 percent given the randomness of the penalties this was a manual job as a result of a consistent amount of spam reporting.

SEOWolf · 05-14-2007, 02:28 PM

Mert,

As I have said earlier mslasvegasrealestate.com only recently deleted her state pages and still had pages indexed in Google AFTER the hit. Additionally there were many of her link partners that were naturally upset when they discovered their links were removed and then pulled her link off their sites. The site apparently enjoyed one-way-links for a period of time before the discovery. I am just wondering what impact losing many AGED links simultaneously had on her rankings in addition to any penalty for having the state pages.

So Mert: Did you just prune your links and leave your state pages intact like she did?

It is VERY important to know the chronological order of events so other Members can avoid a similar fate.

BTW – Looks like REW is following this thread and at least considering some of the information here. Glad we could be of some assistance MC.

~VegasMack

Mert · 05-14-2007, 09:22 PM

My main downfall was my loyalty to other REW sites and the belief in the BS of Morgan Carey in terms of the fact that they were quality sites and linking to them was not a black seo as I truly did have h1 h2 h3 subtitles per referral partner. I had close to 1500 links last summer 900 of them were not linking back and 300 of them were AA sites that were linking to me three clicks away with no cache dates. Of the other 300 100 of them were one page content (spam) sites. The two hundred of course 80 were other REW sites and 120 were other sites I deemed to be quality. It took me close to 15 days to go through the list. Other than a flash presentation and sharp colors REW site linking was nothing but a scam but who was I to know all this. I can almost say I was the least likely candidate to get banned and the least spamming one. The issue was a random choice of deletion in terms of getting penalized. I sadly did not delete my state pages until two weeks before being penalized. Since then I have erased my spam pages and actually used the google webmaster url removal tools just to make sure. Now I have no choice but to wait.

WebGuerrilla · 05-14-2007, 11:47 PM

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Now I don’t know Greg Boser (AKA WebGuerrilla) other than by reputation but I do know Jim Messenger. Several of our Members have PM and called me questioning Greg Boser’s motives. I don’t have any answers about that.

What I find most interesting about this whole issue is how few people in the real estate space ever thought of simply asking me. I think if you were to ask the few who actually did, they would tell you I've been as upfront as possible given the fact that a big chunk of this story involves a client relationship. I'm obviously not going to answer specific questions regarding AA, but I'm certainly willing to answer any questions about my views on the "big picture" issue, or even questions about any "motives" others have suggested I have.

SEOWolf · 05-15-2007, 08:00 AM

Welcome to the Forum WebGuerrilla.

My point was that your advice was in sync with Jim Messenger’s and although I have no indication as to what your motives were I do know for a fact that Jim gave his advice only to help.

It was almost as though a few of our Members were attempting to justify retaining their state pages by asking why you would disclose this information on REW since you were a consultant for AA. I simply pointed out the obvious that Jim was singing the same song and was NOT a consultant to AA or a Member of REW.

That has been my only response to anyone about your motives publicly or privately other than you have an excellent reputation as a SEO and that I doubted you would be willing to jeopardize that by disseminating disinformation.

Due to the sensitive nature of the topic many PREN Members are reluctant to post in this thread and I have had far more phone calls and PMs than we have posts in this thread.

I am elated you offered to answer questions and hope that it pulls a few more of our Members into the public exchange. I feel the more data we all share the faster we can find answers to repair any damage.

So I will start and hope others follow.

A) Are you maintaining your recommendation that Agents delete their Agent to Agent State reciprocal link pages?
B) We have had some Agents remove their state pages, notify their partners, use the Google “Remove URL” tool and still get hit AFTER all of this. Where did they go wrong?
C) After notifying their link partners of the deletion of state pages the partners naturally deleted their links. Could it be that the loss of this many aged links simultaneously and anchor text cause a drastic drop in the rankings within a couple of days?

Any input would be appreciated.

~VegasMack

Jay Griffin · 05-15-2007, 08:23 AM

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[*]B) We have had some Agents remove their state pages, notify their partners, use the Google “Remove URL” tool and still get hit AFTER all of this. Where did they go wrong?

If they got hit after the fact then it's only logical they had to have been in the queue prior to that time to be penalized.

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[*]C) After notifying their link partners of the deletion of state pages the partners naturally deleted their links. Could it be that the loss of this many aged links simultaneously and anchor text cause a drastic drop in the rankings within a couple of days?

Very unlikely. Some had removed their links and notified their partners well before the penalty was invoked. While other removed their links after being penalized and then notified their partners. Yet, all these sites dropped on or about the same day.

Jay Griffin · 05-15-2007, 08:44 AM

Just saw at REW a post that was made yesterday asking whether state pages with agent to agent links should be removed. One of the responses given was by an Advanced Webmaster that said "not to jump the gun."

This reminds me of a couple of weeks ago when Greg posted on that forum and gave his advice. That prompted a few of their people to send emails or PM's asking whether AA had been penalized and if he had an ulterior motive for being there. I said yes they had been penalized and I would not ignore his advice.

One said he would not remove those pages until Matt Cutts confirmed that AA was penalized. He must have gotten that confirmation because those pages are gone now from his site, but so is he.

SEOWolf · 05-15-2007, 09:51 AM

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