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MarcinSarasota · 05-11-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasMack

When did you submit the pages to Google for a “Remove URL”? Was it before or after you got hit?

Yes is was and still is the “Authority Site” for Sarasota real estate IMHO. I am sure you will get back on top in short order. Our prayers go out to you JimJ and the others that were affected.

I did it after I got hit. Thanks for the compliments

SEOWolf · 05-11-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcinSarasota

I did it after I got hit. Thanks for the compliments

Thanks for the reply Marc.

Hopefully that information will help some of the other Members.

~VegasMack

Jared · 05-11-2007, 05:47 PM

I was under the impression that this was old news almost 6 months ago when hundreds of advanced access sites went off the radar almost overnight. I can't count how many people migrated as a result to................? well, I will leave the rest of that sentence for another person to complete since I don't have permission to reveal what was done to salvage some of those sites from the black hole of banishment.

Curious? I also know that there was an guy who claimed to be a real estate webmaster of sorts that knew in advance this was going to happen yet advised all his clients to keep this mindless link network in full force. When I was told about the subject I asked to hold my tongue because they had concern of potential reprisal from their most unusual or should I say unethical of webmasters.

Please understand, I'm asking questions in the form of statements. I'm not an SEO, I design and do little else. But I'm fully curious about this and see little discussion as to solutions. Maybe this is being reserved for the new "minimum post required" Advanced SEO forum here at PREN?

Interesting none the less.

~ Jared

SEOWolf · 05-11-2007, 09:23 PM

Jared believe it or not Google offers suggestions readily in their Webmaster Help Center on proper SEO and related issues for all to read.

Many of us choose to interpret what is said instead of taking it at face value.

For example on the topic of SEOs “Many SEOs provide useful services for website owners, from writing copy to giving advice on site architecture and helping to find relevant directories to which a site can be submitted. However, a few unethical SEOs have given the industry a black eye through their overly aggressive marketing efforts and their attempts to unfairly manipulate search engine results.”

Yet another noteworthy excerpt states “You should never have to link to an SEO. Avoid SEOs that talk about the power of "free-for-all" links, link popularity schemes, or submitting your site to thousands of search engines.”

Google does not or has not hid this information.

Part of the problem is that we see others getting away with Google’s recommended guidelines and emulate the tactics that they are using. Then we get angry when it blows up in our faces.

Example: We see others speeding so we speed. The first thing we tend to do when the Cop pulls us over is to get angry with him. The second thing we do is to state how many others were speeding. Same thing applies in this situation. Google has posted “Speed Limits” in their Webmaster Guidelines. When these limits are violated and we get busted who should we really be angry with?

~VegasMack

San Diego Real Estate · 05-12-2007, 08:46 AM

Well folks with so much still being determined...I think that some of us should seriously consider attending the SMX Conference in Seattle in June...

Is anyone planning attending?

SEOWolf · 05-12-2007, 12:05 PM

I would love to go Al but I am not sure I can make it.

We are opening our new office in Columbia MO tentatively scheduled for June 15th so time is very scarce right now. I’m still not ready to say I won’t but I get the “Evil Eye” from the wife every time I bring it up.

UPDATE:

The two Phoenix AA sites that I have been tracking in Google are still ranked #1 and #4 for the search term “Phoenix real estate”. One of the sites has there state pages on a sub-domain and the other deleted his state pages some time ago.

There may yet be hope for our AA Members that this is NOT an Advanced Access issue at all.

~VegasMack

Jay Griffin · 05-13-2007, 08:49 AM

Regarding SMS, I am going and Terry Light is going to be there.

Missouri Real Estate Pro · 05-13-2007, 09:00 AM

I've been following this thread since it was started and I find everything extremely informative and interesting. I am just beginning to understand a fraction of SEO talk and have to admit that sometimes it is hard to follow conversations b/c of the minimal knowledge that I have on the subject.

I am still learning.

However, I have to say that after reading four pages of this thread it appears that the solution to the problem everyone is having is to delete the reciprocal links and state pages. I say this b/c the example being used and the information that is being reiterated keeps saying that optimal results are being seen by those who are following this advice.

So, I have to ask, if the solution appears to be staring everyone in the face, how come there is such a stink about it? If someone tells me that I smell and someone else tells me that I won't as long as I take a bath, why wouldn't I take a bath? (Crude analogy, I know, but I think you get the point).

Another thing, a few people in this thread seem to be an authority on this subject, and from what I've read they all seem to be in agreement about the solution to this problem....so my question stands, why is everyone fighting the solution so adamantly?

Jay Griffin · 05-13-2007, 09:16 AM

Right now Google is going after the low hanging fruit. Both AA and REW sites are networks and are easy targets. For example, let's say a number of REW sites were on spam reports and in the additional comments section the developer of these sites was listed along with a URL that led to a page that expounded on their link building program.

A search engines decision whether these links are spam or not becomes easy. Not only does that page say you can be plugged into a reciprocal link network, but also how these links will help your rankings. That is something most know, but you don't go publicize in print for the world to see. That page in turn links to other pages that provided a "roadmap" to clients. If I were guessing I would have to believe that is why mslasvegasrealestate.com got hit even though that site has been clean for some time.

AA through their marketing tips newsletter provided a list of sites to link to that will back to you. It was for the most part a simple copy and paste.

Because the Phoenix site mentioned had (have) their links on a subdomain and had no state pages with links they got under Yahoo!'s radar even though they were on the same IP address. There were AA sites hit by Yahoo! that had zero reciprocal links, but they had the state pages, and on 1 of the 2 IP's that were hit. Guilt by association.

Jim Messenger was the first that I know of to remove his pages and advocate others that do it. He is an excellent person to listen to. I know if I were agent I'd listen to him.

SEOWolf · 05-13-2007, 10:07 AM

Excellent post Jay! Welcome to the Forum.

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