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Old 11-03-2007, 12:16 AM   #191 (permalink)
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That is a valid point.
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I love reading you in REW. How about you be a good professional contrarian and open a thread. I would love to time the deletion of that thread or the IP blockage of other non professional contrarians of Morgan on that thread. You are the best.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:35 AM   #192 (permalink)
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Well Terry I was really asking Ken but you do made some great points. Some I only partially agree with and some not at all but I am headed for bed and will save my thoughts on that for in the morning. I did offer to send the material to Greg or a forum operator of your choice for instance.

If you have time or are interested I would love to hear your constructive criticism of Morgan’s “grossly inadequate apology” and his handling of this matter.

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Hey Terry,

I love reading you in REW. How about you be a good professional contrarian and open a thread. I would love to time the deletion of that thread or the IP blockage of other non professional contrarians of Morgan on that thread. You are the best.
After I mentioned that you had a valid point, I thought about doing exactly what you're saying. Then I had a cup of coffee and smoked a cigar on the patio and thought about it some more, considering how to properly construct the thread.

The reason I focus so much on tact skills while posting is because when I first got on the web I was extremely blunt all the time and I have a sarcastic sense of humor. I wasn't being mean, or anything -- I just didn't think about how other people would read what I wrote, not realizing how "tone of voice" was an extremly important part of verbal comunication. So what I thought was funny (and was intended to be funny) got a lot of people really pissed at me.

If or when I do generate such a post, it will be after giving it some additional thought and it will not be with the intent of setting up Morgan so that anyone can use a timer and see how long it takes before the thread is removed. Morgan is one of my allies on the web.

I will expect the thread to stay.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:48 AM   #194 (permalink)
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:52 AM   #195 (permalink)
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After I mentioned that you had a valid point, I thought about doing exactly what you're saying. Then I had a cup of coffee and smoked a cigar on the patio and thought about it some more, considering how to properly construct the thread.

The reason I focus so much on tact skills while posting is because when I first got on the web I was extremely blunt all the time and I have a sarcastic sense of humor. I wasn't being mean, or anything -- I just didn't think about how other people would read what I wrote, not realizing how "tone of voice" was an extremly important part of verbal comunication. So what I thought was funny (and was intended to be funny) got a lot of people really pissed at me.

If or when I do generate such a post, it will be after giving it some additional thought and it will not be with the intent of setting up Morgan so that anyone can use a timer and see how long it takes before the thread is removed. Morgan is one of my allies on the web.

I will expect the thread to stay.
Terry , you have proven my point by not posting it. Even if the Great Contrarian Terry himself won't say it, who else will tell the emperor that he is naked in his palace. My point is I don't want any one to lose "allies" (ironic I called him that once) but this ally is the emperor of his land and he is naked now.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:46 AM   #196 (permalink)
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If you have time or are interested I would love to hear your constructive criticism of Morgan’s “grossly inadequate apology” and his handling of this matter.
I'm not going to critique Morgan's blog post.

As for how the situation was handled? Basically, I trust the people I know --and tend to believe in them. So, if I'm in Morgan's position, being accused of something I know I didn't do, I would try and figure out what actually happened. First, I might assume I'm being "set up," then to cover my bases, I would ask my employees and I would check to see if that IP address was, in fact, tied to my company.

Which is what Morgan did.

How would I explain it afterward? I think I would state the facts as I knew them and apologize. Would I do it immediately? Probably not. Since everyone is up in arms against me, anyway -- I would want to see how negative they would go. Would I write my statement the same way Morgan did? Also, probably not, but then, I'm a writer. Truth be told, I would probably be as brief as humanly possible and still get the point across that it was wrong, that it won't happen again, and apologize. Would I reveal who in my employ did the deed? No way.

But I would be pissed about it.

Would I fire the employee? Probably not, unless the individual had a history of poor decision-making in the past. I've managed restaurants, loan branches, companies, soldiers, and I've worked for huge corporations. I would certainly counsel the individual to never do anything like that again, make them take an ethics class, and if he/she made another gross error in judgment then he/she would be gone.

At the same time, the internet is in some ways a very informal place with informal rules, at least until you grow into a large corporation. So I would probably see some humor in the situation, too -- though I might not admit to it publicly. I would probably have viewed some of the group at PREN as having a grudge against me (deservedly or not), and might view the fact that someone sneaked into the admin page and deleted some of those threads as a truly delicious prank -- not something I would have done, mind you -- but I imagine that I would have seen some humor and irony in the situation, from my point of view (not yours, of course). It might even be something I would later consider a humorous anecdote to tell friends over a pitcher of beer at a bar. Not something I would tell employees, but friends.

That's honesty, for you -- and my own take on things, not anyone else's.
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Maybe, but certainly not ethics.

Is there a polite way to say hypocrite, without offending, since that is what seems to be the most important issue here?
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Maybe, but certainly not ethics. Is there a polite way to say hypocrite, without offending, since that is what seems to be the most important issue here?
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I don't want to get fired.
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Would I fire the employee? Probably not, unless the individual had a history of poor decision-making in the past. I've managed restaurants, loan branches, companies, soldiers, and I've worked for huge corporations. I would certainly counsel the individual to never do anything like that again, make them take an ethics class, and if he/she made another gross error in judgment then he/she would be gone..
Let's see....

These employees are IT professionals....

These employees read IT news....

These employees know what internet crimes are.....

An employee committed an internet crime.......

That employee is not fired and reported to the police to protect the company from liability and doing illegal acts because?????

I do have an MBA brother and my main courses were business law.... That paragraph I quoted from you Terry was the biggest BS I ever heard in my life. There is a difference between unethical and criminal action. Criminal action gets you fired and reported to the police unless the boss is part of the crime or just does not know anything about internet laws. I am pretty sure Morgan Carey knows something about internet.
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